who caused the gatlinburg fires?

Alice Hagler was reported missing by her family and later confirmed dead. I can picture all My family lives 15 mi. 6 to the intersection at Reagen Drive reopened Monday afternoon after being closed Sunday morning, according to a release. Given the wind forecast, pre-evac notice should have gone out on Sunday, Monday morning at latest. Maybe within the next year, well see some kind of progress come together, said Neddo. I phoned 911 and reported that the fire was approaching our home and that it was within a few feet of the city/park boundary. Our world is complex and it is a system of interacting parts, we all need to start thinking more globally (meaning systemic and how each part interacts with the other) in our processes and understand how each choice, decision and action we take personally and as a group affect all the other parts. Gatlinburg businesses look to rebuild after massive fire of them backing up and saying this isnt our problem we are carrying on just like always. I learned so much from the Incident Management Team websites for the various big fires in the mountains (Cohuttas, Joyce Kilmer, Standing Indian, Boteler, Tellico, Party Rock, Pinnacle Mountain). Though once high winds hit, given the conditions there was no stopping the fire from destroying property. The fire could have been stopped over the weekend if proper procedures had been followed. Before the forest fires in the southeast this fall, I didnt know very much about wildfire fighting management (other than a bit from a mountain rescue EMT friend in Colorado and a friend that helps with prescribed burns for Georgia Conservancy). We must as you say accept that humans are emotional beings and that goes for those who lost and those who stand to perhaps lose their jobs and livelihood often for making the best decisions they could with what was available to them at the time. The fire was south of Gatlinburg. I thought if we were have to leave we could take both vehicles to our friends house to sit out the night. I responded that the climate is changing, and so are other related situations, and there will be. Not to mention all the fallen limbs on the ground beneath them. Im sure there will be lots of finger pointing, name calling pushing for blame and then legal actions. At this time, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation officials were contacted, according to the report. I have an Gatlinburg address but the county services my street. All of the big trees were gone (although younger trees had been treated and saved). The wildfires caused millions of dollars in damage. If they do work as a pair, do they set multiple fires in the same area? Late Monday afternoon the Gatlinburg Fire Department began informing some residents of a voluntary evacuation. Oddly, some folks that posted photos of the fire of the 23rd in its early stages have either pulled the blogs or the material cannot be accessed. However, their findings could certainly implicate some of the decision makers concerning how things were handled and may lead to a few resignations. Steve Brueck of DaculaWeather.com suppied us with Local Storm Report Informationfrom the National Weather Service that includes wind gust speeds in the general area. Lots of fires getting controlled, crews pulling off and the new fuel falling and all back ablaze. There may be some validity in the DA doing that, but it sure calls their integrity into question. Though the drought and winds were undoubtedly an act of God (Psalms 148:8; 1st Kings 17:1), NPS and other officials were not left ignorant. One week before the fire, a backcountry ranger confronted people that had built a fire at Alum Cave Bluffs. Thanks for adding more good insight. State charges dropped in Gatlinburg fires - Smoky Mountain News Lose their jobs over this? Almost every creek drainage in GSMNP has stands of dead hemlocks (though some areas near roads had some hemlocks treated regularly to prevent adelgid infestation). We watched the news the rest of evening. It would be interesting to understanding the impact of excessive fuel from dead hemlocks, killed by hemlock wooly adelgid (together with the lack of moisture typically found under a mature, live, shady hemlock canopy, even with the extreme drought conditions) had on this fire. At least that is my understanding. We had no significant rain in 2 months!!! LeConte, is spread primarily, if not exclusively through the air.Though I havent been there in awhile, there used to be a stunning grove of Hemlocks in the Linville Falls area off the Parkway approx. Fourteen people lost their lives. Deciding to keep air resources in reserve for initial attack on new starts rather than wash the fire off chimney tops was a good decision. Of course Dollywood and Gatlinburg was virtually unscathed. As my husband was carrying things to the car at 5:00PM, a white SUV came by. Over 130 sustained injuries, and 1,684 structures have been damaged or destroyed. I left early to get boys and filled Stantons old Subaru Outback up with gas. On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 a hiker on the popular Chimney Tops Trail managed to capture a photo of two teenage boys dropping lit matches on the trail despite the current no-burn order in the area. Firefighting aircraft were not used until helicopters dropped water on the fire Sunday afternoon, November 27 four days after it started. The fire continued to spread throughout the entire structure. I will not be looking for Gatlinburg or Sevier county first response personnel as those people will be grounded by a spineless group of county, city and NPS managers Who can only be described as cowardly indecisive. Its sad. I am not one to Monday Morning Quarterback, because none of us have all the information and really we all have limited information, no one person knows it all; but as a citizen with background knowledge, experience, training, risk and situational awareness, the potential was clearly predictable days in advance of the aggressive action. Bob had stayed in West TN after Thanksgiving, to work there for a few days before returning home so he wasnt with us. My husband stopped the car and the two men inside identified themselves as city water department employees. How far from the Chimney Tops, as the crow flies, were these pictures taken? He was told there was none/no one. On the night before I left for Branson, I had terrible nightmares of being caught in a forest fire in Branson. Excellent points, Jody. Those decisions had to be made with the best information available at the time not what we now know in post incident critique. Those people have their head in a hole, a burned out tree stump hole the very definition of ignore-ance. In a time in which the NPS and all other government agencies are under attack and certain factions are seeking to replace all our government agencies with private for profit industry I would not ignore the possibility of anything. The Chimney Tops 2 could be a good case in point. One option could be helicopter fire repellers to repel into the fire and make an assessment of risk. Kind of like closing the barn door after the cow gets out, dont you think? I can feel for the service providers and the devastated fire victims. It had burned into a picnic area and crossed the main roadinto the park, US Highway 441. That is great knowledge to share. Where was all the HELP TO PUT THIS FIRE OUT A WHEN IT STARTED???? During the investigation, fire officials interviewed a cleaner of Loco Burro who saw a person matching Bates description the morning of the fire. I am thankful so many are not only opening their eyes here, but taking action and questioning. I have a close friend on IMT in southern CO so have some familiarity with the process. It is unfortunate that sometimes a few seek to blame someone so quickly that they miss the opportunity to really get to the root of the causes for those issues in the first place. Who will accuse and then fire then? I am not convinced that all of what is considered to be the Chimney Tops 2 fire is. At 3:00PM I convinced my husband to call the Gatlinburg Fire Dept. That said, we are now in the rebuild mode. But there have also been many times when these so called experts were thrust into a different climate or situation and they too experienced failures. I would like to insert the word, accountability into this discussion. The deaths in this incident can be attributed to being trapped and forced to shelter in place. Thats why I refused to use a local contractor. According to a news release dated Nov. 25 from the Great Smoky Mountains National Park Public Affairs Office, the fires started on Chimney Tops Trail a few miles south of Gatlinburg, off U.S. 441 . Will the Firefighter Safety crutch of the last twenty plus years be the political linchpin to justify fire management strategy and tactics employed by the GSNP? It means they eliminated natural causes, such as lightning and volcano eruptions. > Jeannine In my 40 years in the fire service (Calif and Alaska), I have seen an unfortunate number of cases where agencies in generaland the NPS in particulardesignate fires as monitored event(s) (insert favorite agency terminology here) that hours, or days, later explode into huge incidents. Nothing happens in a vacuum. All weekend, my husband and daughter followed the fire on the Chimney Tops 2 facebook page NPS had established. National Park Service says never push a slower friend down when escaping a bear, Knoxville utilities crews work to restore power after intense storms, Missing elderly Knoxville woman last seen at hospital, police say, Vols drop to 5-seed in SEC Tournament after falling at Auburn, 79-70. the downtown fire on Oct. 9 that killed one person and injured another. Were these simply copy cat arsonists, arsonists with the most ridiculous stories to offer for why they lit these fires, or were they just cover-ups for something more sinister? How about that for arm chair quarter backing. I was in my cabin on 28 November and barely made it out alive. Like I said this is like so many tragic events, a chain reaction of events that all contributed to a disastrous outcome, because of actions and inactions that were not questioned or corrected at many steps of the way. http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/tennessee/2016/12/13/timeline-gatlinburg-wildfires/95138656/. We are to be stewards of the land. It is a sad state of affairs, the loss of life was quite avoidable. We were there from May until early November. May all the people find peace and forgiveness in the midst of this storm. So whether the defendants started the 14th fire or not, a close examination of this Facebook press release indicates the fire apparently started on the 13th; and yet a social media photo post claims the 12th clearly showing a lack of response once again in fire suppression by the NPS. ATF, other agencies search for cause of blaze that claimed life of I dont understand, but I dont judge. One only has to imagine a single downed power line starting a structure fire at the same time the wildfire was approaching to understand how the great loss of property and life actually happened.

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